should we ban battlepickups from GC ?

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Re: should we ban battlepickups from GC ?

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Ash2Dust wrote:
Necromancer wrote:so ... not all GC members are equal
The ones that donate have established their dedication, whether its volunteer work or money. GC cannot exist without either.

People who don't contribute still have a voice despite the class warfare against them. We still want to kill you or fight alongside you every Saturday.
Money buys loyalty/dedication. thats what you're saying.
volunteer work seems to be no more then an empty phrase. can you name one member that entered the group by spending time & effort rather then money?

players thats been around for several campaigns and actively pursue the forums are dedicated to GC.
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Re: should we ban battlepickups from GC ?

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Necromancer wrote:
Ash2Dust wrote:
Necromancer wrote:so ... not all GC members are equal
The ones that donate have established their dedication, whether its volunteer work or money. GC cannot exist without either.

People who don't contribute still have a voice despite the class warfare against them. We still want to kill you or fight alongside you every Saturday.
Money buys loyalty/dedication. thats what you're saying.
volunteer work seems to be no more then an empty phrase. can you name one member that entered the group by spending time & effort rather then money?

players thats been around for several campaigns and actively pursue the forums are dedicated to GC.
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Re: should we ban battlepickups from GC ?

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Date: 31-Mar-12
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point is its much more likely GC will be alienated by new people that put money in the pot rather then 'old' people that may or may not have donated money. telling someone who has been here for so long and is genuinely concerned that its not up to him is nothing less then an insult IMO.
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CorranHorn wrote:Dontate like.... a fecking dollar... lolz
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People know about the supporting members forum. If you can afford a PC that can play BF3 then $1 (or more) is not going to hurt you to get access. I do kinda agree with you (necro) though, even though the access requirements are not hard at all, it isn't great that committed members of the community who have given a lot of time won't have access.
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I would like to donate but I don't have paypal :( .
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This thread has completely gone off topic to the original title or purpose I suggest you either let it die or put it back on track before I lock it.
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Re: should we ban battlepickups from GC ?

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FisherMan9999 wrote:I would like to donate but I don't have paypal :( .
I would just like to add that this is also the main reason for me.

Other than that, I hope someone has made a topic in restricted forums or at least written it down for further investigation once we know more about it, since it's a pretty important topic.
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Re: should we ban battlepickups from GC ?

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Necromancer wrote:can you name one member that entered the group by spending time & effort rather then money?
me.

But, to get back on topic:

No. Not while we're in beta, and in my opinion, not ever. They're like vehicles, as they are limited to a certain number per map, and they also have very limited ammo supply. I kind of like the fact that you can now actually have someone snipe without him being completely useless, and without everyone and their dogs doing it. And the HVM would make the C point pivotal for helicopters and armor, although you still have the option to just collapse the building.

So, adds depth and tactical options to the game. Why would you ban them?
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o1oo1 wrote:I say we should ban them to balance the playingfield. I think the commander perks gained from flags is cause enough to cap them.
one shot kill weapons in the hands of very skilled players would be incredibly demoralizing for their opponents
There were a few 1HK weapons under the GC settings (80% health) in BF3, and while I agree they were annoying as hell they were still left in game. At least with the battle pickups you have limiting factors such as availability and ammo. Either way, as suggested by others I think its best to wait for the full game in order to examine their exact impact.
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Divine-Sneaker wrote:
FisherMan9999 wrote:I would like to donate but I don't have paypal :( .
I would just like to add that this is also the main reason for me.
With a credit cart one does not need a paypal account to donate, I think.
And for most european countries paypal does not require a credit card at all.
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Re: should we ban battlepickups from GC ?

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Necromancer wrote:
Date: 31-Mar-12
Nick: Matsif
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point is its much more likely GC will be alienated by new people that put money in the pot rather then 'old' people that may or may not have donated money. telling someone who has been here for so long and is genuinely concerned that its not up to him is nothing less then an insult IMO.
In a way, I think this is correct. In another, I don't think it is correct. I guess the best analogy I can make it stock holders vs consumers. Stock-holders are directly impacted by the decisions the company makes b/c they have actually put their money into the company's stocks. They sacrificed their own monetary wealth to make sure that the company goes the direction they want it to and so b/c of that, they get to vote on important issues and steer the company in the direction they want to see it go. In some ways, this is a similar situation. Those who have put the money into the community should have some priorities than those who haven't.

Now, a consumer who has been using the company's product for YEARS doesn't have the same authority. Yes, they've been helping the company all along by purchasing the product and even providing valuable feedback BUT they haven't put in the same sacrifice as stockholders may have. The consumer can help direct the company by providing input and what not, but in a sense, the ultimate decision will be made by the company's primary stock-holders.

What I do want to say is that, b/c we're not some faceless corporation, I do think it's important to keep the discussion as open as possible. GC's always been about the community as a whole rather than allowing a few elite people within the community do anything they want. Anyway, that's all I wanted to say about this matter. Also, I was one of the people invited to the community purely by donating my time and volunteering. (Although I am planning to make donations once my job situation stabalizes.)

NOW BACK ON TOPIC.
RazY70 wrote:
o1oo1 wrote:I say we should ban them to balance the playingfield. I think the commander perks gained from flags is cause enough to cap them.
one shot kill weapons in the hands of very skilled players would be incredibly demoralizing for their opponents
There were a few 1HK weapons under the GC settings (80% health) in BF3, and while I agree they were annoying as hell they were still left in game. At least with the battle pickups you have limiting factors such as availability and ammo. Either way, as suggested by others I think its best to wait for the full game in order to examine their exact impact.
Yes. This is exactly what I think too. The weapons have pretty limiting factors and I don't think they're enough to change the direction of the battle by themselves. Sure they are powerful in the right hands, but it's hard to tell how much damage they will do until the full game comes out and we try it out with GC style play. GC style play tends to make or break certain things and it's a HUGE factor in how some items, vehicles, maps play out. (For example, the rez train...)
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Re: should we ban battlepickups from GC ?

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Is it decided yet at how much HP we are going to play?
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Sarantini wrote:Is it decided yet at how much HP we are going to play?
80% Pl0x.
k:Bravo: k:Bravo: k:Bravo: k:Bravo:
Edit: Only problem I see is people dying too fast due to the new dmg systems, tho since last days it feels more like BF3 for me.
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Re: should we ban battlepickups from GC ?

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Sarantini wrote:Is it decided yet at how much HP we are going to play?
Hgx wrote:
80% Pl0x.
k:Bravo: k:Bravo: k:Bravo: k:Bravo:
until we get a release copy of the game and know what server settings we can play with, we cannot accurately make this determination.

I would say until then if anything we stick with 100%.
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FisherMan9999 wrote:I would like to donate but I don't have paypal :( .
I can help you with that if you want.
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