Global Conflict

zorplex wrote:Unfortunately, it's just not practical to have hugely different weapons within the same class in a modern shooter. As opposed to a Sci Fi or fantasy setting where very different weapons can be made with different mechanics that are situational, every reality based gun has very little differences that can be changed to alter how they operate. (Namely fire rate, damage, spread, recoil and fire mode) There are special cases like the AN-94 dual shot mode, but those are rare. These leaves you with guns that will just have the best damage output at varying ranges which is what we have currently.

I guess they could deviate more from the current BF3 model where nearly every rifle of the same class has the same magazine count, same damage drop off and just alters fire rate, spread and recoil but it doesn't really lend itself to unique weapon experiences. I think most people would agree that having weapons with more variances between them is better but it's really hard to balance a system like that. I'm not trying to excuse the bland nature of the guns, but I can understand why it is the way it is. That said, we don't have enough information to make these type of judgement calls. We'll just have to wait and see once the beta/game are finally released.

Regarding the recon C4, I think that was just a bug with the hud. The player classes were switched mid way through the demo. I don't think they'd change something that integral to the classes from BF3, but I could be wrong. (Plus I don't think it makes much sense to have a recon with C4)

I agree that many of the "new" features in BF4 should have been in BF3, but I don't think we should hold that against DICE. We should encourage them to continue listening to player demands and to incorporate more changes like commander and spectator modes. Complaining about a new game coming out with features that should have been in it's predecessor doesn't make sense to me. Although I guess you could make the argument based on principle.

Necromancer wrote:premium members only!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfzJ4ft4NzA

i don't see whats wrong with everyone using the same weapon.
its only natural for each individual player to pick the best weapon to get the best results.
and its pretty impossible to balance them, unless you give them all the exact same characteristics.
I do find it a waste of time to add so many weapons though.

i'd be perfectly happy with 3 weapons for every kit and 3 global weapons or so.
i'd throw away half of the scopes too.

Necromancer wrote:premium members only!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfzJ4ft4NzA

i don't see whats wrong with everyone using the same weapon.
its only natural for each individual player to pick the best weapon to get the best results.
and its pretty impossible to balance them, unless you give them all the exact same characteristics.
I do find it a waste of time to add so many weapons though.

i'd be perfectly happy with 3 weapons for every kit and 3 global weapons or so.
i'd throw away half of the scopes too.

Róka wrote: Although you might find it surprising, that opinion is very much from the minority of players. Most people like variety that is balanced.

Necromancer wrote:

Róka wrote: Although you might find it surprising, that opinion is very much from the minority of players. Most people like variety that is balanced.

"variety that is balanced" - its a sentence that contradicts itself.
what true about most people, and is not surprising, is that people always want more.
it doesn't matter if they use it or not.

Necromancer wrote:"variety that is balanced" - its a sentence that contradicts itself.

Necromancer wrote: i'd throw away half of the scopes too.

zorplex wrote:

Necromancer wrote:"variety that is balanced" - its a sentence that contradicts itself.

Not necessarily. Just take a look at Starcraft for some of the best balanced and varied game content in PVP. It's just incredibly difficult to get different mechanics to balance.

elchino7 wrote: Does anyone know anything of the new "disable mechanics"? I have seen little to non regarding vehicles.

Necromancer wrote:starcraft? starcraft is a completely different genre.
and if you look closely you'll see that at least half, if not more of the units are the same across the armies.
they all have somekind of cheap soldiers, vehicle, and artillery unit. the air units are also just mirrored, they all have a cheap air unit, and an air "artillery" unit, attacking from distance.
the buildings are also very much a like. for example, the zerg units spawn only in the hatchery, why are all the other buildings needed? no reason, just for balance. the most obvious example is the Zerg overlord, Terran supply, and the Protoss pylon cost the same amount, as they are basically the same thing, just mirrored across factions.
it doesn't offer more "balanced variety" then any other C&C game.